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. that is it for us. have a great weekend, everyone. >> john: another weekend no, deal on the fiscal cliff. how close one is depends on whom you believe. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> john: good evening. i'm john roberts in for bret baier this evening. deadlock, gridlock, stalemate, whatever you call it. most people in washington seem to think we are there. we have just four more weekends to go before america goes over the most talked about piece ovate i of real estn the world, the fiscal cliff. ed henry tells us not everyone is pessimistic. >> reporter: literally snapping his fingers, vice president joe biden today suggested it will be easy to finish a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> it would take 15 minutes from the time the decision is made by the speaker of the house to pass and make permanent middle class tax cut. the president would probably have me sprint up to the hill to bring the bill down for him to sign. it can be done like that. it is not complicated. >> greg: speaker bane -- >> reporter: speaker john boehner not so optimistic. >> this is not a progress report, th
. >> the president responds to john boehner, but democratic leader nancy pelosi has a plan to get around the speaker. tonight, leader pelosi joins me for an exclusive interview. >>> senator john kerry like you have never seen him before. the statesman from massachusetts scolds the radical right after senate republicans block a u.n. treaty on rights for the disabled because they are concerned about home schooling. you don't want to miss this tape. >>> plus my interview with ohio senator sherrod brown on what looks like a massive win for progressives and elizabeth warren. >>> then senator debbi stabenow of michigan on the latest in the fight to end republican obstruction. and the people creating petitions on the white house website are getting more and more creative. we'll tell you what the new petition to build a death star. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. democrats are determined to extend the middle class tax cuts before the end of the year. that's the bottom line. party leaders and members are all on the same page. president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner.
, one of your close buddies was upset that he lost, he is gone. how does it feel when you look at john boehner the speaker republican leader and he knows every day that the tea party which had held him hostage the last two years the tea party in the house is playing defense, as well it seems. >> well, i was playing more than defense. unfortunately it feels like in the house the tail continues to wag the dog. you still seem to have a leadership on the republican side in the house led by speaker boehner and eric cantor who are dug in continuing to say that they are not going to generate revenue through increasing tacker rates on the wealthiest 2% of this country. eric cantor said he would not bring the bill that is sitting over in the house having passed the senate to the floor that gives certainties to the middle class passing the tax cuts that we all agree needs to be extended right now. i'm hopeful ever hopeful that we can work together and have a balanced approach to deficit reduction to avoiding the fiscal cliff with revenue and spending cuts departments are willing to embrace so we
committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within the republican conference could have, is now aligned with wehner completely. strengths his hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmaker. i suspect that, from folks that i've talked to, eric cantor will not be a thorn in boehner's side. eric cantor realizes he has time, niece his 40s, he wants to be the first jewish speaker of the house. sit back, r
we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions about unicorns. >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. ? you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies at this point? >> conservative groups lashed out. >>
. speaker john boehner meets this morning with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise $800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins m
, if he was so serious, he would not have met with john boehner sunday morning then go out 24 hours later on a campaign stop to michigan railing about some middle class tax hike jarg onljargon he is using. he wants to go off the cliff,. lou: looking at that number. newest fox poll released a couple hours ago, that polls poe 5-- say 57% say that best way to deal with budget is with dedictions, and then, what we're seeing in these numbers is, if not direct support for the speaker, certainly enough support for the speaker and position on spending cuts that has to give the president some pause don't you think? >> i am worried about here that american people, really have not felt what a big tax increase is like. they have not felt the cuts that have to happen. and we're really living off of borrows money, and the helicopters keep flying in and dropping the money, i am from the state of california, the state of california vottd to make -- it is the highest tacked taxed place on the planet, meanwhile, jobs and people are leaving california. we have to cut, people are not ready for it yet. >> wha
and welcome to "early start," everyone, i'm john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. tuesday, december 11th, 5:00 a.m. in the east. we begin this morning in the south where more storms are expected today. this after residents are left cleaning up from the aftermath of yesterday's storms. the rain was so intense. take a look at what happened to the home of one man, this is birmingham, alabama as he was being interviewed by a local tv reporter. >> we had dogs. he was in the cage. oh, my god. oh, my god. oh, my god. you all okay? you all okay? you all all right? >> look at that, the roof of clint thornton's home collapsing due to the soaking rain. he believes a tornado touched down in his neighborhood. let's check in with alexand exe ste steele. >> there were 12 reported tornadoes yesterday, 2 have been con dining roomed by the survey teams. more survey teams will go out today and deem it be a tornado or not. this is what we saw yesterday. we have a cool weather season for tornadoes and it's in what we call dixie alley. louisiana, mississippi, alabama, that's where we saw them. even into flori
, john harris, kelly o'donnell, michelle caruso-cabrera and david ignatius with "the washington post." first up, will president obama convince republicans to give him a compromise that's big enough, sweeping enough to end this month on a high note? to cap off his election win and get a clean start on his second term. a victory for the president would look like this -- get that top income tax rate up. make minimal concessions on entitlement cuts and get it done before the end of this month, avoid that cliff. this week the president said talk on a partial deal on taxes alone will not cut it with him. >> there have been reports that perhaps the republicans go ahead and let the middle class tax cuts get extended, the upper income tax cuts go up, otherwise we don't get a deal and next year we come back. i have to just tell you, that's -- that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses, and it is not a game that i will play. chris: he wants a pretty good deal, a lot of things in it. when he sits down in that room with he and boehner, it's come down to the two of
mission that saved the life. >> mums the word after president obama and john by aner get together to discuss the fiscal cliff. is no news good news. >> and more on jenny rivera who has been killed along with others in a small plane crash in mexico. >> and mixed emotions for america's team. dallas cowboys win as the clock runs out just as the teammate leaves jail charged in the death of his long time friend. teammate leaves jail, charged in the death of his long-time friend. >>> good monday morning, i'm sunny hostin, paula faris is off. >> i'm john muller in for rob nelson. >>> we begin this monday with daring u.s. military raid thaet saved the life of an american doctor held hostage in afghanistan. it cost a member of the elite s.e.a.l. team six. >> the president said he and his teammates remind us once more of the selfless service that allows our country to stay strong, safe, and free. >> leon panetta added in this fallen hero and our special operator, americans see the highest ideals of citizenship, sacrifice and service upheld. >> reporter: it happened under the cover of darkne
and house speaker john boehner get together to discuss the fiscal cliff. >>> jenny rivera and others have been killed in a small plane crash. >>> the dallas cowboys win as the clock runs out, just as teammate leaves jail, charged in the death of his long-time friend. >>> good monday morning, i'm sunny hostin, paula faris is off. >> i'm john muller in for rob nelson. >>> we begin this monday with daring u.s. military raid thaet saved the life of an american doctor held hostage in afghanistan. it cost a member of the elite s.e.a.l. team six. >> the president said he and his teammates remind us once more of the selfless service that allows our country to stay strong, safe, and free. >> leon panetta added in this fallen hero and our special operator, americans see the highest ideals of citizenship, sacrifice and service upheld. >> reporter: it happened under the cover of darkness. to rescue this man, philip jose joseph, an american doctor working for morning star development. >> it's team with lots of training on hostage rescues. until you get in there and do it, you don't know what you'll fi
the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're wait fworg the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case, in the form of a swipe. >> i sympathyize with john boehner. the key party has a firm grip on the republican p
to neighboring pakistan. that's why general john allen, the top commander in afghanistan ordered the raid himself saying quote -- today's mission xem mri fies our unwavering commitment to defeating the taliban. dan, we didn't hear about this kidnapping when it happened on friday, because coalition officials were worried. when you talk about the military in afghanistan, we sometimes forget that there are thousands of civilians in afghanistan, working as trainers, struck tors, or in this case, as a doctor, this doctor was working in a remote base, trying to set up remote medical facilities. because he wasn't part of the military, oftentimes the civilians go there and they really put their lives literally on the front line because they just don't have the support and the firepower that the american military does. >> it is extraordinary dangerous work, mohammad lila, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> bianna, over to you. >>> we're going to go now to a royal sighting. just two days after kate middleton was released from the hospital, prince william made a splashy public appearance. last night. m
the mission. >> reporter: the mission was authorized by general john allen. he sent in the elite navy s.e.a.l. team six. they rescued him and air lifted him to bagram air base but the victory came at a price. this morning a u.s. service member injured died of his wounds. the ultimate sacrifice to save an american doctor who would have been killed. >> muhammad lila with us. you were telling me you, not surprised that the kidnapping and the rescue effort was kept a secret the whole time. >> that's right, david, in any kidnapping, the first 72 hours are critical. this is a civilian hostage. he doesn't have the survival training that a soldier does. so in this case, a decision was knead publicizing his case could further endanger his life. >> our thoughts are the service member's family, thank you. >>> we turn to the other breaking news. mexican american singing icon jenni rivera. she was flying from a concert when her plane disappeared. officials saying they are found the plane and no survivors. >> reporter: mexican authorities say the small plane carrying mexican-american super star jenni
the atmosphere around these talks is positive between the president and speaker john boehner, when it gets to the underlying details, progress is maddeningly slow. president obama telephoned senate majority leader harry reid monday while rob nabors huddled for a second day in a row aide to speaker john boehner. no discernible progress toward breaking the fiscal cliff stalemate. mr. obama left that drama behind and told supporters in suburban detroit the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's going to see their income taxes go up. >> reporter: boehner and house republicans want to preserve all the bush era tax rates due to expire at year's end, shielding everyone from a tax increase. mr. obama wants to raise them for households earning more than $250,000 a year. he has so far resisted gop demands for spending cuts to health care or education. >> i'm not going to have a situation where the wealthiest among us, including folks like me, get to keep all our tax breaks and then we're asking students t
. history is important. >> i'm don lemon at >>> look who's talking. president obama and house speaker john boehner get together a little more than three weeks before we hit the fiscal cliff. >> gone too soon. a mexican-american singing superstar killed as a small plane plunges into a mountain range. >> just devastated for them. i'm really feeling for them. >> raw and emotional. two radio hosts talk about the family of the nurse who took her own life after getting duped by their prank call. >>> good morning, to you. welcome to "early start." welcome back, mr. berman. >> it is great to be here. i was on vacation for a week. now i'm back. i'm john berman. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. i am feeling that. but this, they are talking for the first time in over three weeks. president obama and house speaker john boehner looked each other in the eye and actually had a conversation. now that's a really big deal when it comes to the fiscal cliff crisis. because in just 22 days americans face severe tax hikes and spending cuts unless these two leaders can find a way to compromise. now neither side woul
. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> okay. here is john boehner, the republican house speaker. >> if you look at the plans that the white house have talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. >> republicans proposed raising $800 billion in extra revenues. and that revenue should come through tax reform and closing loopholes. happy new year. question, patrick, looking into the crystal ball and tell us about this january 1 monetary nuclear bomb. are we going over the cliff, patrick? >> i think i believe we may not be going over the cliff. i think this week has led me to believe there are the terms of a deal, john. the $800 billion boehner offered, i'm sure he will go up a bit. he won't go to 39% on tax rates. republicans are willing to go to i think 37%. the truth is, republicans are capitulating all along the line here, john. they're more afraid of going over the cliff than obama is. and i fear that the republicans are going to re-establish their reputation as the tax collectors of the welfare state. >> has president ob
." at the top of the show, we asked you, why are you awake? and producer john tower has some of your answers. >> will says, i like the new guy, although i go to wide-screen format to accommodate his ears. >> where's the love? i'm moving awpaving the way for large-eared people worldwide. thanks, john. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know,
of the 38 votes, that they would get into opposition. >> interestingly talking about veterans, john mccain supported it. another veteran. truly distinguished and a claimed veteran supported not just by his vote, but also testified in favor of it before the foreign relations relation committee. so there is a group presently serving men and women who supported this law. we don't have to go back to the bob doles or the former president bushes, and with all due respect to them, you've asked the right question. what do we do in the here and now, the present. i think there is a real potential body of strength to work outward and maybe recruit some of those senators who voted against it, and we'll have new senators who are not yet on record. >> eliot: i and many others certainly hope when you turn the corner in january i heard senator kerry say there could be hearings shine a spotlight on how flawed the arguments in opposition to the treaty were. the questions remains is this systemic of a larger problem with the republican party? it seems to grasp at arguments that we discount and are lackin
in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates,
took a licking? bob shrum is a democratic strategist and columnist at the daily beast, and john brabender ran rick santorum's presidential campaign. i expect you gentleman to play fair and aim directly below the belt. just kidding, bob. i want to ask you as a liberal, a progressive, looking across at the right you see jim demint, a guy the late tim russert once said i can't believe jim demint is a senator. he is the leader, the ramrod of all those right wing challenges. he put up ron johnson to beat mitch mcconnell because he's too liberal. he's leaving, quitting his senate seat, giving it up, to run the heritage foundation. we have other stuff coming up, but let's start with that. >> first of all, he's going to make a lot more money. ed fuelner, who is leaving, makes $1 million a year. demint has a net worth of $40,000. secondly, the leadership has tried to rein him in. they've said, you can't go out and go after these conservative republicans with really conservative republicans in primaries because you're setting us up to lose senate seats. now that he's out of there, he can
sensitive global issues are discussed. tonight i'm sitting down with three legendary citizens, john mccain senior senator from arizona, presidential candidate and ranking member on the armed services committee, joe lieberman, senior senator from connecticut and was on the ticket with al gore, and lindsey graham, the senior senator from south carolina, a member of the armed services appropriations and budget committees. welcome the you three. the three amigos. as dubbed by general petraeus. >> you forgot to mention he ran for president also and lost and he'll run and lose some day. >> this is -- john, much too often as we travel has described us as the losers caucus. once we were in pakistan and the ambassador -- this was 2002, the ambassador was good enough to give a dinner in our honor. mccain and i led the delegation of eight other senators. he got up to make his toast. i'm here, mccain, he lost for president, i lost for vice president, john says, you have here before you, the american government in exile. >> by the time this interview is over, you will know why they both lost. >> wh
in the room, the president and the leader of the opposition, john boehner, the speaker. they may be closer, some argue, to an agreement than we think. the question is can they sell the deal to their bases, to their fringies, left and right i must say. >>> plus, republicans say they would change after the election and they are. guess what? they're changing the rules. some of them are proposing to republicans in pennsylvania and three other states obama won, they're trying to eliminate the winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes. that way republicans could win electoral votes in states they lose. >>> new jersey governor chris christie finally meets his idol. the man he's seen in concert more than 100 times. the governor and the boss, bruce springsteen. they're friends now. this is "hardball," the place for politics. from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. yeah, i'm kind of a big deal. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts l
's go with the $4 trillion. john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over ten years. you shouldn't be comparing those two nubs. what you should think about is $16 trillion. that's how much debt the country has. according to bill groesdz, the man who runs the biggest fund, ie, the man who decides how much we can spend and borrow, we have to cut spending or raise taxes. that's $1.6 trillion a year. that's $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes. and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has offered. yeah. peanuts. i recently spoke with erskine bowles, the bowles of simpson-bowles, and he agrees that he's right. >> absolutely. he's 1pen hearst right. i don't know if 16 is the number, but i would be happier at $5 trillion or $6 trillion because that's what we need to solve the number long term. >> those are big numbers. i want to bring in john avlon right now. this is what i find so incredible. we get so focused on is there going to be a deal, and the politics of a deal and going off the cliff and if the cliff is a slope that we're missing the bigger picture that
. >> the house speaker, john boehner, is speaking now on the house floor regarding the fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> beyond 1:50 p.m. today. >> the speaker of the house for five minutes. >> the speaker, last week republicans made a serious offer to avert the fiscal cliff, and most of it was based on testimony given last year by president clinton's former chief of staff erskine bolles. as he said on sunday, we have to cut spending. well, he is right. washington has a spending problem. let's be honest, we're broke, and the plan that we've offered is consistent with the president's call for a balanced approach. a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we do know. we know that the president wants more stimul
reductions in entitlement programs such as medicare and social security, meanwhile house speaker john boehner has to win over hard liners in his own party. susan mcginnis is following it all. >> reporter: hi. good morning. there are some glimmers of common ground here among the two sides that could form the basis of a deal. the president is now talking about actually lowering the tax rate for the top 2% not now but later. and republicans are now taking some heat over their latest plan a lot of it from within their own party. >> five, four -- >> reporter: house speaker john boehner led the countdown to the lighting of the capitol hill christmas tree last night. >> one. >> reporter: but a different countdown weighs on the minds of these lawmakers, the countdown to the fiscal cliff. a series of tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end the year. >> god bless us, everyone. >> reporter: speaker boehner offered the republican proposal this week and now he faces opposition from president obama. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: some in his own party are lining
of the opposition, john boehner, the speaker. should be interesting. they may be closer, some argue, to an agreement than we think. the question is can they sell the deal to their bases, to their fringies, left and right i must say. >>> plus, republicans say they would change after the election and they are. guess what? they're changing the rules. some of them are proposing to republicans in pennsylvania and three other states obama won, they're trying to eliminate the winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes. why not? that way republicans could win electoral votes in states they lose. that's a good deal. >>> new jersey governor chris christie finally meets his idol. new jersey's most famous resident, the man he has seen in concert more than 100 times. the governor and the boss, bruce springsteen. they're friends now. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] take dayquil... [ ding! ] ...and spend time on the slopes. take alka-seltzer plus cold & cough... [ buzz! ] ...and spend time on the chair. for non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. take dayquil. use nyquil d...
commander in afghanistan, john allen, ordered the raid himself. saying, quote -- dan, we didn't hear about this kidnapping when it happened on friday. because coalition officials were worried. the military in afghanistan, we sometimes forget that there are thousands of civilians in afghanistans working as trainers, instructors or as in this case, as a doctor, he was trying to set up remote medical facilities. because he wasn't part of the military, often times the civilians go there and they really put their lives literally on the front line because they don't have the support and the fire power that the american military does. >> mohammad lila, thanks for joining us. >>> bianna over to you. >>> we're going to now to a royal sighting. just two days after kate middleton was released from the hospital prince william made a splashy public appearance. meanwhile the family of the nurse who took her life after being fooled by a radio sprank speaking out. jefferey kofman is in london wih the latest. >>> this is now a police investigation. an inquest begins tomorrow. while the duke and duchess of
the top u.s. commander in afghanistan, general john allen. special forces landed by helicopter, setting off a fire fight, leaving several taliban fighters dead. joseph was air lifted to bagram air base, but the victory came at a price. the u.s. service member injured trying to rescue joseph, died of his wounds. the ultimate sacrifice to save the life of an american doctor who otherwise may have been killed. as a civilian hostage, joseph didn't have the same survival training or instincts as a soldier. in this case u.s. officials decided publicizing it could further endanger his safety and that is why it was kept under raps until the mission was over. >>> her family confirmed that mexican-american singing superstar, jenni rivera died in a plane crash. the private jet went down early sunday morning after taking off from the mexican city of monterey. none of the seven people on board survived. the singer's brother was asked how he wanted her to be remembered. >> every which way we can, every which way. the good, the bad, the ugly, the short, the fat, the nice, everything about her was grea
with the $4 trillion. house speaker john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over 10 years. think about $16 trillion. that's how much debt this country has and according to bill gross, the man who runs the world's biggest bond fund, the guy that decides to lend money to the united states and how much we have to pay to borrow, says we have to cut spending or raise taxes by 11% of gdp over next 10 years and according to gross that's $1.6 trillion a year. that is, let's just make this clear, $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has offered. yeah. peanuts. i recently spoke with erskine bowles, the bowles in simpson-bowles and even he agreed that bill gross is right. >> absolutely. he's 100% right. i don't know if 16's number but i would be happier at $5 trillion or $6 trillion because that's what we need to solve the problem long term. >> those are big numbers. bilg gross will be with us in a moment. i want to bring in john avalon right now. this is what i find incredible we are getting so focused on the deal and the politics
and john boehner spoke by phone. >> we cannot negotiate by ourselves. >> the hold up right now is that speaker boehner took a position, i think the day after the campaign, but said we're willing to bring in revenue but not increase rates. >> gridlock, 26 days and counting. >> no word on what the president and speaker boehner discussed, but given the fact that there has not been progress, just the fact they were on the phone represents a small development. >> still to come, he has been through hundreds of deals and no deals, has decided if america has talent, and now he is taking it all. howie mandel joins us about his new holiday game show. >> sunshine. clouds to the northwest. that is what we will watch. watch. is the fastest internet in america. just ask pc mag. [ male announcer #2 ] cable can't touch fios upload speeds. it's hard to imagine anyone ever beating fios. there's no doubt fios is the fastest in the country. [ male announcer #1 ] after 110,000 speed tests, nothing came close to fios. upgrade now with this amazing holiday deal and get fios internet, tv and phone for
facebook.com/ezraklein. now it is time for the last word. have a great night. >>> john boehner is now fighting three battles at once against the president, against his party, and now against marriage equality. >> this isn't a progress report because there is no progress to report. >> fiscal cliff negotiations. >> one-on-one right now. >> are now a party of two. >> the two most important players. >> the president and the speaker. >> president obama and house speaker john boehner. >> a two-man operation. >> there is no progress. >> we are seeing progress. >> there is a jobs report today. >> unemployment down to 7.7%. better than expected. thank you very much. >> we dropped a whole point in a year. >> there is no progress. >> members of congress are always upset. >> they are taking us to the cliff. >> the momentum is with the president. >> republicans are totally over the barrel. >> did you say over? >> they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> nothing is over until we decide it is! >> we didn't elect them to raise rate. >> not me! >> we don't have a revenue problem. >> i'm
>>> off to the 2012 john w. heisman award, awarded to the best player in college football. it was a three-man race. quarterback johnny manziel out of texas a&m, notre dame linebacker manti te'o, and quarterback collin klein from kansas state. new york's downtown athletic club, the site. >> the 2012 winner of the heisman memorial trophy is johnny manziel! >> they call him johnny football. johnny manziel, a red-shirt freshman. yeah. he is the winner of the heisman trophy. his big mark was that win at alabama earlier in the season. manti te'o finished second. collin klein finished third. >>> high school, norcal football titles, the open division. it must mean de la salle. coach bob at sac state against folsom in blue. already up 7-0. the touchdown run. it's 13-0, spartans. no answer for folsom. chris williams to andrew buckley on 4th down. spartans rolled 49-15 to remain unbeaten. a couple of scores to pass on to you from tonight out of division 2. clayton valley on the losing end to oakdale, 27- 24. marin, the wildcats are moving on. they beat sutter 23-7 in division 3. >>> stanford wome
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